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What would be useful and practical would be if users could set an option on their profile to have uploads be turned on automatically in Chutney strips they create! There may be situations where someone has the sentiment "I really don't want anyone to contribute anything to my strip unless it was made in the site's art app." But that sentiment is probably pretty niche. So for most people, if they had the option to just have uploads switched on, that would be a great thing! They'd be making a strip and flinging the door open to all contributors. And anyone who didn't want people uploading work to their strips could leave the option off. In fact even someone who had uploads turned on by default could switch it off for a given strip! It's a win/win. As a bonus, this thread can be used in debates to support the existence of the slippery slope phenomenon, tho I myself don't believe in it.

Also, another good thing would be to make Uploading available under the disk icon that's used for saving. Right now under FX it's quite hidden as it's not intuitively a special effect of any sort! Having a disk icon that covers uploading and downloading would make a lot of sense.

I agree that the menu needs some overhaul in this regard 🤔 i'm not sure if there is a perfect solution for the settings if everyone feels so strongly about uploads I can make it so it just enabled by default and let people opt out instead 🤔 but I would like to hear some more opinions about this first

Having upload by default would be great! It sucks seeing a strip and have an idea for it, only to realise that upload isn't enabled and... beyond simplistic panels, doing stuff with the on-site tools can be a lot more difficult!

Peyo I was trying to keep in mind you weren't fond of the idea of uploads, and I remember `PȂX` weighed in against it, but I haven't heard anyone else express against it. I think it's an interesting topic for discussion! My opinion of it is I don't even care what others do, I just want it as an option for me, and I think a lot of times people don't enable it just because they forget it's something they have to check to enable. That just adds an extra layer of difficulty and makes me think people should have the option to just flip it on for strips they make permanently. I wouldn't ever want anyone to lose the ability to set their strips to site tools only, but at the same time I question how many people would want to do that. The only benefit I can see outside of trying to stop people from uploading outside images (which could be solved with the generous mod tools you have provided) would be if someone was trying to game-ify the use of the site tools, which I wouldn't be into since I primarily want to see the art people make, regardless of how it was made.

Oddly when I tried to put @ 1 in the message to note you, Peyo, it kept changing it to something like 1 2 4. No idea what's up with that!

`124` Like this was typed as an @ followed by a 1

124 is this user: https://pchutney.com/user/125 It must be autofilling the name instead of accepting the ID

`124` Straaange I didn't know it did that!

`Aluminimalism` Well it did it when I tried to use 12 for you!

and of course there is option B: I could give some users the privilege to upload to any strip they damn want regardless if its enabled on the strip or not 🤔 (after all Sam, Scones and me already have something like this for the strip title html - of course that is a more special case) (im not sure if i want to fix the autofill.. now I'm finally safe from @ 🙂 .. oh well maybe later 🤔 )

You are indeed safe from `@Peyo`

Hmm... `Peyo` well you do have the tool settings in the drawing tool remembered, and you have sequel strips remain with the previous one's settings. Now I don't pretend to know much about how these things work, but is there a way you can store previous settings, or make a "Default Strip" settings page? It wouldn't even have to look any different, but that way every user could set their default and the site would default to those settings for that player. That's just a thought though! ^^

That's a fantastic idea! That would make creating strips the way you like them to be a breeze!

That is a super great idea! I love that, that way you could 1-click start a strip

it's technically possible but I'm trying to avoid it because it's a lot of work 😓 and if we only need it for the upload option it seems to be kind of an overshoot 🤔

anyway for now the three of you can upload anytime you want lets see how this works out and we can decide the rest later and if there is anyone else who cannot live without uploads be sure to let me know - I guess if it's the majority I just set it to always enabled and thats that 🤔

`Peyo` Also please set jblask `jblask` to be able to upload if it's okay, he really needs it! And thanks!

done 👍

`Peyo` Thank you I know he will appreciate that and won't abuse it!

Thanks so much!

`Peyo` please give `Mothbunita` the ability to upload on all strips. She would very much love that and would create wonderful content.

`Scones and Cones` `Mothbunita` done 👍

Thank you `Peyo` Very much appreciated!!!

I also gave `Veum` upload powers anyone else has problems with backups disappearing? (occasionally or often?)

`Peyo` In case he hasn't asked I think it would be great to give `🔳` upload ability as he's a good contributor who is always generous! The site would only benefit from any liberty he was granted.

done `🔳` we unanimously decided that you can upload anytime now how do you feel about this?

anyway .. so anyone else experienced problems with the backups? (it might be related to drawing on tablet or phone)

`Peyo` On one hand I wouldn't want to feel like I have any special privileges over other chutney users... But, yeah, that would be pretty useful, honestly. Thanks

`Peyo` Again I'd like to bring up the possibility of having options on by default (sort of a standard strip stencil) not just for uploads, but for other things like multidraw. If it was possible to set up a standard "these are the settings I'd like a new strip to have" it would be a pretty slick feature. In fact if you wanted to get advanced with it you could even allow someone to set up different stencils for strips that they could name, and choose the option of making a new strip fit one of those stencils. I don't know if it would make putting such a thing in play any easier, but you could even have a sub-page on the creation option that contained links for the different setups people made, so when they wanted to make a new strip like if they wanted to make another episode of "My continuing comic" they could click that and be instantly ready to go, or if they wanted to have "gallery comic" which could be a setup someone had for anything where they want to put forth an idea and have people contribute panels... You get the idea!

`TeeEffDee` I thought about that since the last time you mentioned so far the most convenient way seem to be to have a seperate button to save the current settings as default and maybe I could store the settings in javascript on the client side 🤔 another slightly less convenient idea is to have a make sequel button that just makes a copy for ones strips settings? (like a 'make copy' button) I guess we could then put these so called stencils into their own group (and access them in 'groups') or an even simpler solution is to have allow copy and multidraw and so on enabled by default 🤔

`Peyo` Yeah actually if you can easily make copies of strip settings for existing strips, just having a button on a strip that's visible to a strip's creator called "Copy Strip" or something that made a new strip with all the same settings would pretty much be great! That way when someone had a strip format they liked, that "stencil" would be stored forever in their gallery in the form of that strip, and they could just copy it with the button on the strip. Effectively with that method, every strip someone made would become a template! I really like that concept. Maybe it could just prompt for a title when they press the copy strip button and there it is. Generally the faster and more seamless it is for someone to get something going the more chance there is it will actually happen, so anything that keeps participation smooth is going to be good.

ok, fortunately copy is the easiest to implement from all of these 👍 I'll try and add it soon

`Peyo` Yeah the more I think about it the cooler that idea is, that basically would be like 1-click new game duplicate, that's even faster than having an option for a template. If you'll make it so it can be used on any game regardless of completion, that would really open it up. Thanks for thinking of that and being willing to add it!

only thing i'm not sure about is where to place the button maybe it could be right under the strip header?🤔 or just a very tiny button right on the header? like a 📋 (but that would kind of defeat the purpose.. ?)

I'd say make it pretty obvious, and yes, right under the header would be good. One reality of web design is the more difficult everything is to find and use the less likely it will be used. That's why I am always in favor of everything being as shallow as possible and obviously placed, like putting the upload button under the disk icon that's currently used for saving (because it's a disk-based activity and nobody will ever find it under FX because it's not FX). So my vote would be for putting it right under the header and making it extremely obvious, like make it a graphic button and have it say "Clone This Strip Format to New Strip." I know it can be depressing but when trying to get people to engage with things, it's a fight against a short attention span. So the more impulsive or automatic things can be the more chance of site activity. So I'm always in favor of making things visible and making their purpose as obvious as possible. Like for example I didn't even know there WAS a list that showed a message history until that redesign, I thought it was something new. But then I was informed it had always been there. If I had wanted to find that I would have had no idea how.

`Peyo` Also if you ever need button graphics or anything and think I could help make them, let me know, I'd be happy to do anything to assist.

ok it seems to be working, let me know if there are any problems ( and if you can find it 🙂 ) new gfx: if you have a suggestion for some part of the site then sure (I don't really have plans myself and prefer to just use css to format stuff to keep things simple 🤔 ) I think `raz!!!!` said something about wanting to do the buttons for the mobile view (not sure if he still wants to) and `Veum` suggested a better background format (something like they have on newgrounds)